Arya Samaj

Prabhat · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: Deja Vu

Namaste all,

at first aid classes we talked abouth deja vu. i to have sometimes dreams, and after a while i will reconice sometings (after weeks) and places of my dreams. So do you also have deja-vu's. and can someone explain we what thid really is.
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Arya Putra · Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:27 am Post subject:

Déjà Vu

Generally, déjà vu occurs when a forgotten dream-event appears to happen in real life.

The mind records all of our experiences as impressions (samskaras), vasanas (tendencies), and vrittis (attitudes). All past experiences are stored in the subconscious mind in what could be called a mental-hieroglyphic format. Hieroglyphics are picture-symbols, and mental-hieroglyphics are picture symbols used to represent our impressions, tendencies, and attitudes. Sometimes it so happens that a real life event (occurring in the present) will seem to correlate with one of these mental-hieroglyphics and we suddenly feel that what we are now experiencing has already happened before. Generally, this is simply a coincidence and NOT a co-incident, i.e., there is not really any correlation between the subconscious mental-hieroglyphic and the present real life event.

Why would a mental hieroglyphic resemble a real life event taking place in the now? Well, it is actually natural that such coincidences should occur from time to time. Since there is a fixed amount of matter in the Universe as proposed by the Quantum Physics model, and as attested to by Vedic teachings which tell us that Prakriti is eternal but finite, this means there must necessarily be a fixed number of paramaanus (the subtlest sub-atomic particle, yet to be discovered by modern science). Now, since there are a fixed number of particles that exist in endless time (eternity), it follows that there can only be a limited number of combinations of these particles. In other words, there are a limited number of permutations of matter (both subtle and gross). All samkaras, vasanas, and vrittis (and indeed, karmas or actions), and everything else in both reality (such as real life events) and in the imagination (such as things constructed in dreams) are permutations of subtle and gross matter. Hence, given the seemingly endless period of our many, many lives, it would not be uncommon for a mental-hieroglyphic (of which, there must necessarily be a limited number of) might resemble a real life event to which it has no actual correlation.

Notwithstanding everything explained in the above paragraphs, there is also another nature to the so-called déjà vu, which is more rare. The Yogic science tells us that knowledge of all events (past, present, and future) is always present in the Universal Mind. Due to the preponderance of ego and individuality, our field of perception is constricted to the region of our physical and/or subtle body. However, from time to time it is possible to have a glimpse into the Universal Mind and perceive an event happening before it actually does happen. This perception is then recorded in the memory system but relegated to the subconscious (albeit as a clear memory and not as a mental-hieroglyphic). Though the occurrence of this perception is temporarily forgotten, when the actual event does eventually take place (usually years later, or even lifetimes later), the mind recalls the earlier perception and experiences the phenomenon of déjà vu. The longer the separation (in time) between the occurrence of the original perception and the actual event, the more likely it is that one will not even recall having had the perception in the first place, but the strong sense of ‘having already heard this, or seen this’ will be experienced. Note that this experience of déjà vu though based on the phenomenon known as ‘premonition’ is different from premonition in the sense that the premonition in déjà vu has long sense been forgotten, and in fact, was probably not even noted in the mind as a premonition, but was simply something someone thought, dreamed, or imagined (and did not realize at the time that it was a glimpse into the future).

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Prabhat · Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject:

Namaste Arya,

plaese in englis that i can understeand. this a bit to deep Confused

but one thing i would like to ask

"Since there is a fixed amount of matter in the Universe as proposed by the Quantum Physics model, and as attested to by Vedic teachings which tell us that Prakriti is eternal but finite, this means there must necessarily be a fixed number of paramaanus (the subtlest sub-atomic particle, yet to be discovered by modern science)."

if we, i mean people who learned Veda's who this, than why should we wait for modern science, why dos someone from India come with ((the subtlest sub-atomic particle)
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Arya Putra · Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:14 am Post subject:

The Vedas contain the seeds of all Knowledge. To get the fruit (Understanding) of that Knowledge, one must plant the seeds in a fertile mind and water them with deep meditative awareness.

A mind that is filled with images (mental superimpositions) is like a field strewn with rocks and overgrown with weeds. The rocks and weeds must be removed and the soil tilled before the seeds can be planted. Unless this 'ground work' is done, no amount of reflection will yield the desired result, which is correct perception and true understanding.

A person can read the Vedas and store, sort, and analyze this knowledge in their mind, and yet never really understand it. It is like collecting many seeds and storing them in a jar in the cupboard. The seeds will not sprout. In the same way, one cannot understand Truth merely by reading about it or being told about it.

There are many Sanskrit scholars but few Vedic scholars. Likewise, there are many scientists who study the universe but few who study themselves in a universal way. To study your self in a universal way means to do deep introspection devoid of ego; it means to center the mind on the Self and not to be self-centered. So long as our approach is self-centered, we will not realize the truth even if it is staring us in the face.

In ancient times, people learned the subtle truth by sitting at the feet of the Wise. This means they learned by humbling themselves in the presence of a true teacher. By so doing, the self-centered habit of false perception is eventually broken, and one sees clearly.

Nowadays, the primary means of receiving a 'higher education' is to attend a college or university and study books on science (and other subjects) under the guidance of a similarly educated teacher. However, the education one receives is NOT really a 'higher' education at all, it is just the same education the teacher has received (or the authors of the books received) by today's standard. Today's standard of education is not the same as that method used by the Rishis to teach their children and others. Unless we resort to that same standard (as the Rishis) we will not attain the higher knowledge that we seek.

Today’s scientists are not in search of a higher knowledge, because many of them do not accept that there is a Higher Self. They want to know how the Universe came into being and how it operates, but they have never done sufficient research into WHY the Universe exists. This is why they have not studied the Vedas for the answer, and even if they do, unless they study properly they will not know the answer even if the answer is right in front of them.

Hope this answers your question. As you probably have figured out by now, I am using this forum as an impetus (a diving board) to plunge into vibrations and explore the deep wisdom of consciousness. Hopefully you, and/or others, will find this useful. OM

Your well-wisher,
Arya Putra

Prabhat · Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject:

Namaste Arya,

so do you know people who are on ther high level of the true knowledge. if yes what are the doing.

and can you please tell me a bit more WHY the universe exsist. oke i know the planet and all others are made out of praktiki, but why did God made the universe.

and you can always plunge in, only i dont know what you mean Shocked

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Shyena · Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:02 am Post subject:

Arya Putra · Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:

Prabhat · Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject:

Namaste Arya,

you say "The truth is, most high souls live completely incognito (unknown to others). This does not mean they hide themselves from others and withdraw from the world (though they certainly may). It simply means they do not unnecessarily draw attention to themselves. High souls keep their ego in check. When their ego is check-mated, they are Liberated (they attain Moksha).

but the 10 Principles say
6. The primary aim of the Arya Samaj is to advance the good of all, i.e., to promote physical, spiritual and social well-being.

8. One should aim at dispelling ignorance and promoting knowledge.

so when they are hidding, is not doing very well for us, isnt it. or dont you mean this.
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Prabhat · Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

This universe exists so that we can experience Moksha. As you know, Moksha means liberation. It means total freedom from Ignorance and all its side effects, such as pain and suffering. Being free from Ignorance means to fully know the Truth. Knowing the Truth means discovering the Self (our own Atman) and experiencing our Essence (the Supreme Self, Paramatman). So, really, Moksha means Self-Discovery, it means the discovery of Truth.

Now, in order for the Truth to be discovered it would first have to be hidden. The covering (or hiding) of Truth is called Ignorance (Avidya). Truth is hidden behind the veil of Maya (illusion), which is just another word for Ignorance. Ignorance is an illusion because the Truth is the Self is ever-free.

To create the illusion of Ignorance, Atman which is all-pervading, projects itself as Purush and is united with Prakriti. In reality, Atman always pervades Prakriti and the two are therefore eternally inseparable. Hence, the uniting of Purush and Prakriti is the beginning of Ignorance.

From this union of Purush and Prakriti on the Macro-level (Supreme Spirit or Maha Purush emanating from Paramatman, the Supreme Self) the Universe is manifested, while on the Micro-level (the individual Spirit or Purush emanating from Atman, the individual Soul) the innumerable embodied souls (Jivatmans) are manifested.

As a result of this Creation, the soul (Atman) appears to be hidden from itself in the form of the embodied soul (Jivatman). Due to its real (or higher) nature as Atman, the embodied soul is impelled by its own nature to realize its true nature (uncover the Truth, or dis-cover the Self) and experience its Essence (the all-pervading Supreme Self). This is called Moksha, and this Moksha is made possible by the existence of the Universe, which is why this Universe exists.

To experience the Truth directly we have to stop playing mind games. We have to see what needs to be done and do it. We have to see what needs to be changed (in ourselves) and change it. It is like diving into a deep pool of fresh water. We have to ‘take the plunge,’ we can’t just keep jumping around in the mind filled with doubt, hesitation, and complacency. When we plunge in to the Ocean of Consciousness we are refreshed, invigorated, and rejuvenated. OM

Namaste Arya.

oke, but still is the universe just made for Moksha. and than you say the truth has to be discovered and it is hide. i agree whit you that the truth has to be learned via the vedas.
but what do you mean by "Now, in order for the Truth to be discovered it would first have to be hidden."why would it have to be hidden.

is it not for the Arya(Vaidikh) samaj to learn people the truth.
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Arya Putra · Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:35 am Post subject:

Prabhat · Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject:

Namaste Arya,

Yes, the universe is made for Moksha, which means the Liberation of the soul (embodied soul) from Ignorance.

Shocked

is the whole universe for moksha, isnt it a bit to big?
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Arya Putra · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:03 am Post subject:

Maybe it needs to be so big to make us realize how small we are. How can anyone think "I am so important" when compared to the magnitude of the Universe they are practically nothing at all. For example, how important is Jesus, or Mohaamed, or Buddha, or anyone else for that matter? Compared to the 'matter' of the Universe, they are nothing. A million years from now no one will remember any of the important people we remember today. And if by chance they are still remembered a million years from now, who will know about them a trillion years from now? Even a trillion years is not even a drop in the ocean of Time, which is fathomless.

All the nonsense people argue about such as "my God is better than your God," or "my religion is better than your religion," is absolutely meaningless before the Absolute Truth (which I call our Essence). If we have not realized our Essence our life's mission is unfulfilled and our life is incomplete. This is why we have to come back again and again until we 'get it right.' We need to get our priorities straight and get our mind in alignment with our soul-nature. It has nothing to do with memorizing a few lines of 'holy' scripture or sharpening our communications skills. It has EVERYTHING to do with realizing how insignificant our little ego is, and connecting our mind to the divine in deep meditation. The mind cannot be absorbed in the Absolute unless it is purified, and it cannot be purified except through the acquisition of wisdom and the application of that wisdom in daily living.

Everything in the Universe exist to teach us something. The Universe is so big because we have so much to learn! The Universe is God's University, and all of us are students here. We graduate only when we have learned all our lessons and passed all the tests. Those who have truly learned the lessons of Life and faced all the challenges with humility and fortitude, they are called the 'Learned Ones.' Those exceptionally fortunate souls have achieved the highest degree of Consciousness and attain Moksha (Liberation).

Arya Putra

Prabhat · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:53 am Post subject:

Namaste Arya.

oke oke i get it Very Happy

but tell me one thing. why do we have to work so hard for moksha, why not go directly there, why do we have to suffer.
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Arya Putra · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:17 am Post subject:

Prabhat · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:56 am Post subject:

Namaste Arya.

its hard what you say. but thinkig of it. you are right. Idea

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