Arya Samaj

Prabhat · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Aryan Invasion

Namaste,

Are these Aryans the same like the Aryans we know now? Everytime if you type Arya Samaj in google, you always get the same story about how the Aryan came to India and killed and raped, and they bring the Veda's to India.

So please anyone?
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Prabhat

Shishya · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

This is a very complicated topic. But an important one nonetheless.

The short answer to your question is: No. The 'Aryans' spoken of in the Aryan Invasion Theory are not at all what is meant by Aryas in the context of the Arya Samaj. The ethnologists of the 19th century coined the idea of a race of 'Aryans'. This theory - which stands in contradiction to the Vedas yet which has long been the standard textbook explanation for the origins of Indian (and European) civilization - is finally being proven false.

Earlier this month I posted a news article which told that many of the top experts in the fields of ethnology and archeology are recognizing the falsity of this theory, and the results of modern scientific research is now beginning to verify the truth as contained in the Vedas. (The article can be read by clicking here.)

Sadly, it will probably take a few decades before this filters down to the general population, though. So, you will continue to find loads of material online which is based off of this (now decidedly false) theory.
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"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

poohhhhhhhhhh i tougt i was a mixture of greeks and russian Very Happy

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Prabhat · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

Rig Veda has been dated to 1,500 BC by those who use linguistics to claim its origin as Aryans coming out of Central Asia and Europe. Archaeologist B.B. Lal and scientist and historian N.S. Rajaram disagreed with the position of linguists, in particular Witzel who claimed literary and linguistic evidence for the non-Indian origin of the Vedic civilization. Dr. Narahari Achar, a physicist from University of Memphis clearly showed with astronomical analysis that the Mahabharata war in 3,067 BC, thus poking a major hole in the outside Aryan origin of Vedic people. Interestingly, Witzel stated, for the first time to many in the audience, that he and his colleagues no longer subscribe to Aryan invasion theory.

help me out, thus this means people thougt the Mahabharata book is older than the Rigveda
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Prabhat

Shyena · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject:

These claims always involve rejecting the astronomical data present in the vedas,...

The sarasvati river of vedas, believed to be ghaggar-hakra river - flowed until 2500~2000 BCE period.

Some people (amateur though) decipher indus valley script based on vedic languages. if they're true, the date is pushed beyond 3500 BCE

These interpretations put them after mahabharata, because they assume the names 'vasishta' 'krishna' occuring within vedas (if we exclude the naming of shaakhaas) are the same as those in itihaasa. But if bhagavad geeta is in a state of atleast a BIT of authenticity, it pushes the date of vedas beyond 7500 BCE as the recent excavations show (what we believe is) dwaraka to date to that period. But if based purely on evidence, it would require us to believe vedas were passed on as an oral tradition for over 8.000 years(fisher); some (winternitz) push it to 7000 BCE.
Note that majority of historians agree the oral tradition of vedas would take us much earlier than mahabharata - if geeta can be trusted regardless of the claims that muslims' influence morphed it into a monotheistic scripture, it speaks of the vedas (rk, yagus, sam however - no atharva Embarassed

)

I remember reading that a certain vedic scripture speaks of kashmir as a lake. If true, it would put date of that scripture to earlier than 40,000 years ago...

PS: The exact date of mahabharata is supposed to be 3107 BCE... though this being part of smrti can be subject to interpolations

Prabhat · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject:

Namaste PD,

thanks for the info, if people have more, please do tell
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Prabhat

Ashokakirti · Freshman Member Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 17

Only to rely upon Shashtriya, archaeological, and linguistic knowledge is not enough. please go through these research papers too, which is more reliable than others.
• Bamshad et al. 2001. Genetic Evidence on the Origins of Indian Caste Populations. USA. Genome Research.
• Bhasin, M. K. 2006.Genetics of Castes and Tribes of India: Indian Population Milieu. International Journal of Human Genetics, 6(3): 233-274
• Cavalli-Sforza LL. 1988.The Basque population and ancient migrations in Europe. Munibe Suppl 6:129-137
• Elst Könraad. 1999. Update on the Aryan Invasion Debate. New Delhi: Aditya Prakashan.
• Gupta, Anil. 1984. Origin of agriculture and domestication of plants and animals linked to early Holocene climate amelioration. Current Science, Vol. 87, No. 1, 10
• Passarino et al. 1996. mtDNA provides the first known marker distinguishing proto-Indians from the other Caucasoids: it likely predates the diversification between Indians and Orientals. Ann Hum Biol 23:121-126
• Passarino et al. 1996. Pre-Caucasoid and Caucasoid Genetic Features of the Indian Population, Revealed by mtDNA Polymorphisms. American Journal of Human Genetics. 59:927-934
• Renfrew C. 1989a. Before Babel: speculations on the origins of linguistic diversity. Camb Archaeol J 1:3-23
• Renfrew C. 1989b. The origins of Indo-European languages. Sci Am 261:106-112
• Thanseem1, Ismail et al. 2006. Genetic affinities among the lower castes and tribal groups of India: inference from Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA. BMC Genetics, 7:42
• Yadev, Satish Kumar et al. 2008.The earliest settlers' antiquity and evolutionary history of Indian populations: evidence from M2 mtDNA lineage. BMC Evolutionary Biology, 8:230