Arya Samaj

Ayush

Everyday babies are born with various diseases. Some babies are born as hermaphrodites (girls with penises). They face discrimination throught out their life.
Similarly some people are born in rich families. Some people are born in poor families which don't even have enough money to eat 2 meals a day.

If God loves everyone, then why is it that he makes some people suffer this way and some other people live a wonderful life? Is it because of a person's evil/good karma in the previous lives?

What do the Vedas say?

Shyena · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject:

This is the main aspect other religions fail to explain - rebirth. Those who are born with such defects or ailments, is because of the sin they incurred in their past life. Abrahamics try to say that it is because of external factors but they fail to explain why only those children suffer such a fate.
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Mitra · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject:

So PD if a person sins in this life he might have his DNA chopped or scrambled a bit in his next life? I dont really comprehend how the immaterial soul and its sanskaars can affect the material DNA.
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Shishya · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:

Namaste Mitra,

First, let us remind ourselves that material manifestations are merely expressions of subtle/spiritual conditions, and not, as materialistic science would have us believe, the other way around. The brain, for example, is not that which produces thought. Instead the brain is the material manifestation of Manas which allows it to express itself in this material world. (Please refer to Aurobindo's notion of Involution for more.)

The same can be said of our material genes. They are not what determines our physical makeup. Rather, they are the material expression of our past non-material (i.e. spiritual) Sanskaars which serve as the medium for their expression in this material plane of existence.

Second, we must also remember the acknowledged limits of genetic science. A common and simple example should clarify:

Say we have a man and a woman who have married and just conceived a child. The man has blue eyes, the wife has brown eyes. As we know from the science of genetics, there are two primary genes which are responsible for the expression of eye color: the recessive blue gene and the dominant brown gene. Each of us receives one eye-color gene from each of our parents at the moment of conception. Thus, we all have two eye-color genes all the time.

In our example, let us suppose that the woman - who has brown eyes - had a blue-eyed father and a brown-eyed mother. This would mean that she has both the dominant brown gene and the recessive blue gene. Because the brown is dominant, she was born with brown eyes. Yet she still carries the recessive blue-eyed gene, received from her father. (In the case of the blue-eyed man, both of his parents must have had blue eyes, for the same reason.)

Now, the question: What color eyes will her children have? Blue or Brown? (Or perhaps even green?)

It is at this point that genetics fails in its ability to predict what will happen. It can tell us the range of possibilities, but it cannot predict the outcome. So, the question remains: What is it that determines the color of the eyes of the child described above? It will certainly have an eye-color. But no scientist in the world, regardless how many times he analyses the genetic make-up of the parents, can predict that color with certainty. So, if it's not being determined by the genes, what then?

I will leave you to answer that for yourself. I only wanted to show that genetic science is not exactly what it is commonly portrayed as. There is still plenty of room for the spirital to influence the outcome of what may, at first glance, appear to be a fully pre-determined situation. Wink

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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Mitra · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:14 am Post subject:

I agree, Shishya ,scientists cant predict with certainity .They never claim to. They speak in terms of probabilities which pretty much gives them enough room to avoid giving definite answers just as in philosophy Wink

So, are you saying that the ingredients in the form of genes are here but the chef determines what and how much goes into the recipe ?

1.If so, how much role do the sanskaars in the soul play and what will be the role of God who is the Aryama - the judge - who is supposed to determine our fate as per our karma.
2.And, if we stretch this non-material being able to influence the material world , doesnt it lead to all kinds of dubious claims like psychokinesis and reiki and energy healing ....

3. I thought scientists might be using the chaos theory to predict any patterns in inheritance and development but infact I found one abstract that supports your position and says even chaos theory isnt useful in this matter( if you bear with the jargon about mono & dizygotic twins in it till the end of the abstract.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10392802&dopt=Abstract

ps: the kids eyes may turn out to be green however, because there is a gene that codes for green too in addition to the two traditionally known blue and brown ones. Infact there are quite a few of them and adding to the unpredictability is that the genes can be switched on or off ( the eye color can even change with age) and are regulated over the lifetime. So who does that??? and, why cant it be just Chance???
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Shishya · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:

Namaste Mitra,

Prabhat · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:27 am Post subject:

Namaste,

so do you think they can cure some diseases with DNA.??
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Shishya · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:44 am Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

They might be able to eliminate some particular diseases in some particular cases. But they will never eliminate disease altogether as long as they remain focused on the material aspect of creation. There are far too many factors beyond the genetic which lead to disease in the first place.
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:57 am Post subject:

Namaste,

but isnt that what they are searching for. but oke. i hope they dont play for God
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Ayush · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:50 am Post subject:

Shyena · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject:

Namaste mitra,