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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could check out the questionnaires at various Ayurveda websites .
The one at this website one is somewhat easier to answer -

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is typical for someone who eats meat and then switches to a vegetarian diet to become ill at the beginning. The body is getting rid of all the toxins, hormones and bad ojas that have accumulated over the years. (Babies, for example, don't have this problem. My oldest daughter is almost 2 years old and has never tasted meat. I can say with absolute certainty that she has never been sick.) However, simply eating vegetables is not enough. The science of Ayurveda explains that all of us have a particular body constitution (a predominant dosha) which in part determines how we react to our environment and what kind of food we should eat. As long as one follows a solid, dosha-based ayurvedic diet, there should be no health problems whatsoever. In fact, one's health should improve greatly over time.


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whats dosha-based ayurvedic diet?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste,

There is an excerpt of an article about the doshas in the following post:

http://aryasamaj.forumwise.com/aryasamaj-post-679.html#679

There are many tests out there which can help a person determine their dosha. But the best means is to visit a qualified doctor of Ayurveda. He or she will not only ask you a lot of questions, but will also measure your pulse in a special way which helps them to determine whether you have a constitution dominated by one or more doshas.

If you want to discuss Ayurveda further, please continue in the thread linked to above.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Shis,

no no dude, no dicussion with you Wink
but i gett the picture. so by talking and measure one can tell me what kind of diet i can follow.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Prabhat Ji,

Yes, that's the idea. Although each person is unique, we can all be broadly categorized by our physical type. Each type has certain requirements - things it should favor and things it should avoid. This is true not only with the food we eat but also with the activities we engage in. For example, I am a Vata-type. It would be foolish for me to try and work as a heavy laborer, because my body is simply not built for it. My type is suited to intellectual and managerial work. Heavy labor is best done by Kapha-types, who have a stout, solid frame and big muscles. I'm tall and thin with a rather large head, so I wouldn't do too well digging ditches all day. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Namaste Prabhat Ji,

Yes, that's the idea. Although each person is unique, we can all be broadly categorized by our physical type. Each type has certain requirements - things it should favor and things it should avoid. This is true not only with the food we eat but also with the activities we engage in. For example, I am a Vata-type. It would be foolish for me to try and work as a heavy laborer, because my body is simply not built for it. My type is suited to intellectual and managerial work. Heavy labor is best done by Kapha-types, who have a stout, solid frame and big muscles. I'm tall and thin with a rather large head, so I wouldn't do too well digging ditches all day. Laughing



hahahaahah i have the same built 1meter 81.
but i get the picture.

but can you explain the type things ( vada, kapha) etc etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Prabhat,

Check out this page:

http://aryasamaj.forumwise.com/aryasamaj-post-673.html#673

It contains a good link which can explain everything. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Namaste Prabhat,

Check out this page:

http://aryasamaj.forumwise.com/aryasamaj-post-673.html#673

It contains a good link which can explain everything. Wink


Namast shis.
i have send you an pm, let me know Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming back to Ayush's actual post-
The three Rigved mantras quoted by Zakir Naik imply that meat is offered in agnihotra and cattle are sacrificed - if you follow Saayana's and Maheedhara's interpretation condemned by Swamiji in Satyarth Prakash.
The rules of Nirukta and grammar should be followed and most importantly understand the context in which a word or the verse is told. Take the meaning which is most appropriate and useful .
As Shishya Ji pointed out the Fire mentioned in 10:16:10 refers to the fire used for cremation of the dead. Infact the mantras before and after this one too deal with cremation. So if one quotes out of the blue you can get any number of meanings. Thats the importance of context.
10:86:13 describes the matter/prakriti which gives pleasure to the creatures which will be devoured by the Almighty at the time of dissolution.
10:85:13 - The Gau mentioned in this verse does not mean a cow. In this context of Sun and its passage through constellations ,Gau here should be taken as 'rays ' of the sun. With this the verse begins to make sense - saying - the rays of the sun become feebler in the Magha nakshatra/ Maagha maasa and the nights get more difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mitra, is the post related to this thread Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste PD,

Actually, yes. Mitra Ji's post is perfectly on-topic. The original question was as to whether or not vegetarianism is taught in the Vedas. Later on, Ayush linked to a clip of a Muslim scholar claiming to prove that the Vedas support meat-eating. Mitra Ji is simply bringing us back to the original topic. The fact of the matter is the rest of us went off-topic talking about Ayurveda. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Shishya,
Ohh okay, I didn't notice the link in the first page given by Ayush. Zakir Naik is a weird guy, he says vedas are pantheistic but iconoclastic and that they speak of coming of muhammad... Ignore him..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: General Reply with quote

Namaste,

i have seen the composition of various foods that we take the nonvegeterian food does'nt provide much of the body suppliment except few which i quoted in my topic "FOOD CURES" so consumption of nonvegeterian food is not at all required when you get all the suppliments from vegeterian food itself. BUT if have some other reasons to enjoy then Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, if you accept Vedas as scripture that have infallible authority, then the following quote should make it very clear that eating meat is absolutely forbidden! I'm talking about the kind of sin that deserves punishment from God.
(Unless you live in a place where there is zero vegetation)

"One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head."
Rig Veda Samhita 10.87.16
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Ayush Ji,

dosha: (Sanskrit) "Bodily humor; individual constitution."
Three bodily humors, which according to ayurveda regulate the body, govern its proper functioning and determine its unique constitution.
These are
vata, the air humor;
pitta, the fire humor; and
kapha, the water humor.
Vata has its seat in the intestinal area, pitta in the stomach, and kapha in the lung area. They govern the creation, preservation and dissolution of bodily tissue. Vata humor is metabolic, nerve energy. Pitta is the catabolic, fire energy. Kapha is the anabolic, nutritive energy.
The three doshas also give rise to the various emotions and correspond to the three gunas, "qualities:" sattva rajas and tamas.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: More Reasons for VEGETARIANISM Reply with quote

More thoughts on vegetarianism quoted from various sources:

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Many times the mention of vegetarianism elicits the predictable reactions: “What about protein?” To this the vegetarian might well reply: “What about the elephant? And the bull? And the rhinoceros?” The ideas that meat has a monopoly on protein and that large amounts of protein are required for energy and strength are both myths.


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For many Americans, protein makes up more than twenty percent of their diet, nearly twice the quantity recommended by the World Health Organization. Excess protein cannot be utilized by the body; rather, it is converted into nitrogenous wastes that burden the kidneys.


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The primary energy source for the body is carbohydrates. Only as a last resort is the body’s protein utilized for energy production. Too much protein intake actually reduces the body’s energy capacity. In a series of comparative endurance tests conducted by Dr. Irving Fisher of Yale, vegetarians performed twice as well as meat-eaters. By reducing the non-vegetarians’ protein consumption by twenty percent, Dr. Fisher found their efficiency increased by twenty-three percent. Numerous other studies have shown that a proper vegetarian diet provides more nutritional energy than meat.

Furthermore, a study by Dr. J. Iotekyo and V. Kipani at Brussels University showed that vegetarians were able to perform physical tests two to three times longer than meat-eaters before exhaustion and were fully recovered from fatigue in one fifth the time need by meat-eaters.


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Stewart Odend’hal of the University of Missouri conducted a detailed study of cows in Bengal and found that far from depriving humans of food, they ate only inedible remains of harvested crops (rice hulls, tops of sugarcane, etc.) and grass. “Basically,” he said, “the cattle convert items of little direct human value into products of immediate utility” (such as milk, cheese, butter, etc.). This should put to rest the myth that people are starving in India because they will not kill their cows.


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The wasteful process of meat production, which requires far larger acreages of land than vegetable agriculture, has been a source of economic conflict in human society for thousands of years. A study published in Plant Foods for Human Nutrition reveals that: An acre of grains produces 5 times more protein than an acre of pasture set aside for meat production. An acre of beans or peas produces 10 times more, and an acre of spinach 28 times more protein.

Economic facts like these were known to the ancient Greeks. In Plato’s Republic the great Greek philosopher Socrates recommended a vegetarian diet because it would allow a country to make the most intelligent use of its agricultural resources. He warned that if people began eating animals, there would be a need for more pasturing land. He asked Glaucon, “And the country which had enough land to support the original inhabitants will no longer be enough?” Glaucon replied that this was indeed true. Socrates then asked, “And so we shall go to war, Glaucon, shall we not?” To which Glaucon replied, “Most certainly.”

It is interesting to note that meat-eating played a role in many of the wars during the age of European colonial expansion. The spice trade with India and other countries of the East was an object of great contention. Europeans subsisted on a diet of meat preserved with salt. In order to disguise and vary the monotonous and unpleasant taste of their food, they eagerly purchased vast quantities of spices. So huge were the fortunes to be made in the spice trade that governments and merchants did not hesitate to use arms to secure sources.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste,

do vegtable feel pain?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Prabhat,

Pain is an unpleasant sensation.
Pain may also refer to:
1.Suffering, an unpleasant feeling or emotion.
2.Pain (philosophy), a theme related to the question of "qualia", and to various aspects of human life.
i see an animal suffering from pain when it is being pierced but not with fruits and vegetables.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namasteji dear brothers and sisters,

I dont want to start another topic....hope u all dont mind. I was recently diagnose with diabetes. I am still in heavy shock. I am having a hard time giving up my favorite foods.

I have to loose drastic amount of weight. Since i was on certain medication i gained weight. I am curious if there is anything in ayurveda that can help me. I am on a strict diet. I am reading all the materials provided from the hospital.

Somebody mentioned Karilla but most of u know where i live i cant get that. Any Sugessions??

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunita wrote:
Namasteji dear brothers and sisters,

I dont want to start another topic....hope u all dont mind. I was recently diagnose with diabetes. I am still in heavy shock. I am having a hard time giving up my favorite foods.

I have to loose drastic amount of weight. Since i was on certain medication i gained weight. I am curious if there is anything in ayurveda that can help me. I am on a strict diet. I am reading all the materials provided from the hospital.

Somebody mentioned Karilla but most of u know where i live i cant get that. Any Sugessions??

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Namaste,
sorry to hear abouth your diabetes problems, but i think the first thing is to leave spicy ang greasy foods and start eating a lots of fruits. you also need to go to the gym, the faster you will loose weight, the better it would go with the diabetes.




btw, whats Karilla?
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