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suryanarayan
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 Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Swami Vivekananda is still living ! |
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Swami Vivekananda the great sage, who is the pride of all hindus.
As I have knowledge he is the one among the seven sages (sapta rushi’s). Ramkrishna Paramhansa was requested that sage to take birth on earth in this kaliage.
After his death also he is still living now a days also without body. In the spiritual centre Divine Park is situated in Saligrama on the National Highway No. 17, about 21 kms. north of Udupi in Udupi District, Karnataka, India. This is the present Leelakshetra for Guruji or Swami Vivekananda.
The spiritual centre Divine Park is situated in Saligrama on the National Highway No. 17, about 21 kms. north of Udupi in Udupi District, Karnataka, India. This is the present Leelakshetra for Guruji or Swami Vivekananda.
The sage behind DIVINE PARK, this spiritual temple, is Dr. A. Chandrashekhara Udupa, B.Sc., M.B.B.S., F.A.G.E., a practicing doctor who is striving to execute Swami Vivekananda's Man-making mission. Right from his childhood, Dr. Udupa was spiritually inclined. His favourite deities were Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Ma Sarada and Swami Vivekananda.
Swami Vireshwaranandaji Maharaj, the then President of Ramakrishna Mission, initiated
and influenced the young Dr. Udupa to undertake sadhana and meditate upon Swami Vivekananda and told him that He would certainly respond to a sincere call. Dr. Udupa decided to take Swami Vivekananda as his supreme master. As days passed Dr. Udupa's desire to have the vision of Swami Vivekananda reached its peak. In the early hours of the 1st day of January 1971 the long awaited miracle happened. In Dr. Udupa's own words: ".....I muttered a line from a devotional song meaning 'when shall I have your vision, my Lord'." All at once, there was a flash of light and I had the vision of the resplendent face of Swami Vivekananda." Since then Dr. Udupa has been in communion with Swami Vivekananda in meditation.
Divine park publishing magazines and several books. In that magazine Guruji (Swami Vivekananda ) told that in his previous life he was the Jesus Christ. Guruji told that he choosen the place Saligram because this is also a place in which he was meditated for several years, in his previous life of the sage who written SRI RAMRAKSA STOTRA (I not remembering that sage name).
(still now I am not visited that place. I only heard about this.)
For more information please visit www.divinepark.org
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Arya Putra
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| Quote: | | Swami Vivekananda the great sage, who is the pride of all hindus. |
Swami Vivekananda was not a sage. He was a good man, and an exceptional human being, who inspired many people by his life and teachings, and became great in the eyes of many hindus and non-hindus both.
| Quote: | | As I have knowledge he is the one among the seven sages (sapta rushi’s). Ramkrishna Paramhansa was requested that sage to take birth on earth in this kaliage. |
A Rishi is one who ‘sees’. The seven Rishis mentioned in the Vedas are the ‘instruments of perception’ which remain with the soul throughout the entire period of the Creation until the Mahapralaya (final dissolution). These seven Rishis are the Ego, Mind, and the five senses (Gyaanindriyas). This is one interpretation of the Saptarishis; there are other interpretations too depending on the context, but NEVER does it refer to seven people who roam the earth until the end of time. That is nothing but sheer pauranic nonsense.
| Quote: | | After his death also he is still living now a days also without body. In the spiritual centre Divine Park is situated in Saligrama on the National Highway No. 17, about 21 kms. north of Udupi in Udupi District, Karnataka, India. This is the present Leelakshetra for Guruji or Swami Vivekananda. |
Oh credulous human being, if you were a young child we could call you ‘childlike’ but since you are surely an adult one can only conclude you are truly childish and spiritually immature to actually believe in such fantasies. What I am saying is said in a universal spirit and not with the intention of hurting your feelings.
| Quote: | The sage behind DIVINE PARK, this spiritual temple, is Dr. A. Chandrashekhara Udupa, B.Sc., M.B.B.S., F.A.G.E., a practicing doctor who is striving to execute Swami Vivekananda's Man-making mission. Right from his childhood, Dr. Udupa was spiritually inclined. His favourite deities were Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Ma Sarada and Swami Vivekananda.
Swami Vireshwaranandaji Maharaj, the then President of Ramakrishna Mission, initiated
and influenced the young Dr. Udupa to undertake sadhana and meditate upon Swami Vivekananda and told him that He would certainly respond to a sincere call. Dr. Udupa decided to take Swami Vivekananda as his supreme master. . . . . .
Divine park publishing magazines and several books. In that magazine Guruji (Swami Vivekananda ) told that in his previous life he was the Jesus Christ. Guruji told that he choosen the place Saligram because this is also a place in which he was meditated for several years, in his previous life of the sage who written SRI RAMRAKSA STOTRA (I not remembering that sage name). |
Considering this is primarily an Arya Samaj forum, it should not be necessary for me to comment on the things you are saying in this post, because presumably anyone who has studied Maharishi Dayananda’s teachings knows without a shred of doubt the things you are writing about are false. However, since others in this forum have also recently espoused similar non-Vedic beliefs, perhaps it is necessary to continue to comment on these things for the benefit of other uninformed forum members and guests.
Dr. Udupa is surely not a sage but a man suffering from self-delusion. Like you, he would benefit from a thorough study of Satyarth Prakash. Unfortunately, Vivekananda probably never studied it either. If he had, he would perhaps have truly become a Sage and many of those whose opinions have been shaped by his teachings would not be inclined to make deities of mortal beings and worship them as the All-pervading, Supreme Being Who is One Without a Second. Had Vivekananda been enlightened by the teachings of the Vedas like Maharishi Dayananda was, then perhaps instead of being the mascot of the Hindu masses and their Western counterpart wannabes (‘want-a-be’) he would have completed the work begun by Maharishi Dayananda and freed all of India (and perhaps the whole world) from false image worship, the slaughter of animals, charlatans, and the exploitation of the ignorant in the name of so-called religion.
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LET US NOBEL THOUGHTS, COMES TO US FROM ALL SIDES (rigved) |
Yes, let noble thoughts come to us from all sides but NOT hallucinations, fantasies, and false pretenses. However, I do not believe you are pretending. You are simply misinformed. Misinformation will lead to a distorted perception of Truth. Part of the purpose of this forum is to shed light on the true nature of Reality and thus remove the darkness of Ignorance, which is responsible for all the pains and sufferings of this world.
There is no greater gift than the gift of Wisdom. It is not always easy to swallow, because often people have no taste for truth because they are accustomed to lies and falsehoods. Many others are not mature enough to grasp the Truth because they have not been weaned away from their images of spirituality. Hopefully this forum will help in this matter. In any case, it should reassure those having an Arya bent of mind to continue in earnest their sadhana of self-purification (removing their mental images and ego) and steering clear of false knowledge.
So-called Sanatanists who are steeped in their foolish hindu pomposity will remain imprisoned behind the walls of their own false pretenses and will never understand the Truth even if they were to live a thousand years.
Sorry to be so direct. Sometimes the Truth hurts, but it always heals.
Your Truth Well-Wisher,
Arya Putra |
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bhavesh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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It is just impossible a same person is still living even after his death. It is true that Vivekanand was not a Rishi. He was highly impressed by his Guru RK. Dr. Bhawanilal Bhartiya's Hindi book "Dayananda & Vivekananda" and Swami Vidyananda Saraswati's English book "Gospel of S.Vivekananda" are to be seen.
There are lot many superstitious things spread about RK & Vivekananda by their followers. In a Gujarati monthly "Sri Ramkrishna Jyot", I read that RK was incarnation of Lord Shiva and his birth was due to some Divine light !
RK met Dayananda in 1874 at Kolkatta. However he declared low opinion about Dayananda. Dayananda was against all sorts of superstitions.
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suryanarayan
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: re |
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| Arya Putra wrote: | | Quote: | | Swami Vivekananda the great sage, who is the pride of all hindus. |
Swami Vivekananda was not a sage. He was a good man, and an exceptional human being, who inspired many people by his life and teachings, and became great in the eyes of many hindus and non-hindus both.
| Quote: | | As I have knowledge he is the one among the seven sages (sapta rushi’s). Ramkrishna Paramhansa was requested that sage to take birth on earth in this kaliage. |
A Rishi is one who ‘sees’. The seven Rishis mentioned in the Vedas are the ‘instruments of perception’ which remain with the soul throughout the entire period of the Creation until the Mahapralaya (final dissolution). These seven Rishis are the Ego, Mind, and the five senses (Gyaanindriyas). This is one interpretation of the Saptarishis; there are other interpretations too depending on the context, but NEVER does it refer to seven people who roam the earth until the end of time. That is nothing but sheer pauranic nonsense.
| Quote: | | After his death also he is still living now a days also without body. In the spiritual centre Divine Park is situated in Saligrama on the National Highway No. 17, about 21 kms. north of Udupi in Udupi District, Karnataka, India. This is the present Leelakshetra for Guruji or Swami Vivekananda. |
Oh credulous human being, if you were a young child we could call you ‘childlike’ but since you are surely an adult one can only conclude you are truly childish and spiritually immature to actually believe in such fantasies. What I am saying is said in a universal spirit and not with the intention of hurting your feelings.
| Quote: | The sage behind DIVINE PARK, this spiritual temple, is Dr. A. Chandrashekhara Udupa, B.Sc., M.B.B.S., F.A.G.E., a practicing doctor who is striving to execute Swami Vivekananda's Man-making mission. Right from his childhood, Dr. Udupa was spiritually inclined. His favourite deities were Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Ma Sarada and Swami Vivekananda.
Swami Vireshwaranandaji Maharaj, the then President of Ramakrishna Mission, initiated
and influenced the young Dr. Udupa to undertake sadhana and meditate upon Swami Vivekananda and told him that He would certainly respond to a sincere call. Dr. Udupa decided to take Swami Vivekananda as his supreme master. . . . . .
Divine park publishing magazines and several books. In that magazine Guruji (Swami Vivekananda ) told that in his previous life he was the Jesus Christ. Guruji told that he choosen the place Saligram because this is also a place in which he was meditated for several years, in his previous life of the sage who written SRI RAMRAKSA STOTRA (I not remembering that sage name). |
Considering this is primarily an Arya Samaj forum, it should not be necessary for me to comment on the things you are saying in this post, because presumably anyone who has studied Maharishi Dayananda’s teachings knows without a shred of doubt the things you are writing about are false. However, since others in this forum have also recently espoused similar non-Vedic beliefs, perhaps it is necessary to continue to comment on these things for the benefit of other uninformed forum members and guests.
Dr. Udupa is surely not a sage but a man suffering from self-delusion. Like you, he would benefit from a thorough study of Satyarth Prakash. Unfortunately, Vivekananda probably never studied it either. If he had, he would perhaps have truly become a Sage and many of those whose opinions have been shaped by his teachings would not be inclined to make deities of mortal beings and worship them as the All-pervading, Supreme Being Who is One Without a Second. Had Vivekananda been enlightened by the teachings of the Vedas like Maharishi Dayananda was, then perhaps instead of being the mascot of the Hindu masses and their Western counterpart wannabes (‘want-a-be’) he would have completed the work begun by Maharishi Dayananda and freed all of India (and perhaps the whole world) from false image worship, the slaughter of animals, charlatans, and the exploitation of the ignorant in the name of so-called religion.
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LET US NOBEL THOUGHTS, COMES TO US FROM ALL SIDES (rigved) |
Yes, let noble thoughts come to us from all sides but NOT hallucinations, fantasies, and false pretenses. However, I do not believe you are pretending. You are simply misinformed. Misinformation will lead to a distorted perception of Truth. Part of the purpose of this forum is to shed light on the true nature of Reality and thus remove the darkness of Ignorance, which is responsible for all the pains and sufferings of this world.
There is no greater gift than the gift of Wisdom. It is not always easy to swallow, because often people have no taste for truth because they are accustomed to lies and falsehoods. Many others are not mature enough to grasp the Truth because they have not been weaned away from their images of spirituality. Hopefully this forum will help in this matter. In any case, it should reassure those having an Arya bent of mind to continue in earnest their sadhana of self-purification (removing their mental images and ego) and steering clear of false knowledge.
So-called Sanatanists who are steeped in their foolish hindu pomposity will remain imprisoned behind the walls of their own false pretenses and will never understand the Truth even if they were to live a thousand years.
Sorry to be so direct. Sometimes the Truth hurts, but it always heals.
Your Truth Well-Wisher,
Arya Putra |
At ending you were asked sorry to me, I think if I am not wrong, it is only your writing technique but not by kaya, (vacha) manasa. (please ask your soul, is surely you asked sorry to me).
If you had commitment with truthful behaviour (having truthful behavior with kaya vach manasa) then definitely you were think that, is it right to criticizing (without confirmation) and asking sorry to same one for same purpose.
It is a cunning, Just like making wound, injury, and then after covering cream on that. Which more than giving pain to other person, it decreases nobility of own,( if the person is a noble)
Swami vevekanand was a hindu saint. Including aryasamaj other issues also were discussed in this site. Therefore I wanted to discuss about this topic.
If I truly say, still now I am not fully accepted it (swami vivekananda’a living) because I did not personally know about it and not fully rejected it. (Swami vivekanand also a ideal for this, he never accepted anyone, even Ramakrishna paramahansa also. Before accepting Ramakrishna paramhansa as a Guru, Swami vevekananda himself taken many tests)
Only I wanted to discuss about this (know more by the other members), and it may help to came any decision. In above post leaving some lines most of all lines are from DEVINE PARK website (You may see website).
(In posting I wanted to add QUESTION MARK with EXPLANATORY SIGN but I am forgotten.)
Before any one asks, myself at the end of above post, I have given explanation that “I only heard about that and not visited to that place to know about that”.
. In your vision if I am a childish man, then I never force you to change your vision towards me. It did not effect me that what type of feeling you have towards me. But
not forget from a small child to a old person, every man has own self respect. Had not you alone.
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Arya Putra
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Suryanarayan Ji,
My only purpose in writing what I have written is for the benefit of all. There is absolutely no ill-will intended or present in what I have written. The phrase “Sorry to be so direct. Sometimes the Truth hurts, but it always heals,” was not said in a cunning way, but only to soften the message a little, knowing that what I wrote might be taken the wrong way.
Dear soul, you are the Immortal Atman. There is absolutely nothing that can make you any more or LESS than that. I perceive you as Atman only, even as I perceive myself and all others. All other identities are role plays only. In this drama of human existence, some of us have forgotten our true identity and imagine themselves to be something or someone that they are not. Such is the case with Dr. Udupa, which I can say without hesitation based on what he has presented himself to be. He is a charlatan, plain and simple. The spiritual circus is filled with such charlatans. In this family of humanity (Vasudaivakutumbakam), we are duty-bound to warn our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and other friends and relatives (in other words, THE WHOLE WORLD) about such frauds so that they are not cheated by them.
| Quote: | Suryanarayan: After his death also he is still living now a days also without body. In the spiritual centre Divine Park is situated in Saligrama on the National Highway No. 17, about 21 kms. north of Udupi in Udupi District, Karnataka, India. This is the present Leelakshetra for Guruji or Swami Vivekananda.
AP: Oh credulous human being, if you were a young child we could call you ‘childlike’ but since you are surely an adult one can only conclude you are truly childish and spiritually immature to actually believe in such fantasies. What I am saying is said in a universal spirit and not with the intention of hurting your feelings. |
Your post gave the impression that what you were writing you wrote yourself, or at least believed it to be true. However, since these words in the above quote where not your own but came from Dr. Udupa’s website, then you should consider my words directed to him only.
Suryanarayan Ji, the things I am writing are not attacks on yourself, Dr. Udupa, Vivekananda, or anyone. We are all the same soul; there is none greater or lesser than another. Ignorance and ego cover our mind to varying degrees depending on how much we have been enlightened by our own direct experience and the influence of the Wise.
The influence of the Wise is absolutely essential regardless of the depth of our own practice and experience. The ‘influence of the Wise’ means the influence of Divine Wisdom, which comes to us from the Vedas and from those who are truly knowledgeable of the Vedas.
Vivekananda was a wise and saintly man, and one worthy of great respect. However, no man is worthy of worship, including Ramakrishna and Dayananda. All three of these men were exceptional persons, but none of them were perfect. Frankly, I don’t think any of them presumed themselves to be perfect either. Unfortunately, due to certain flaws in the teachings of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda, their followers are inclined to worship them as perfect beings, or even as God Himself, and in so doing they neglect to improve themselves and instead remain ignorant of their own True Nature. In other words, they never realize their own full potential; consequently the full extent of the good which they could bring into this world never materializes.
You seem to be a wise human being with an open heart and a desire for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If this is so, then I think you will keep an open mind and look into the teachings of Maharishi Dayananda and investigate them for yourself. If you do, I think you will conclude with me that many, many, many people in this world are incredibly credulous and easily swayed by their false feelings and false perception.
No one is perfect, but no one should remain content in their imperfection. Those who are striving for excellence are worthy of the highest respect and honor.
Kindly accept my PRANAAM.
Namaste
Arya Putra |
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