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Hiten · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: Reincarnation

Namaste

Just wondering how everyone feels concerning reincarnations.

Do you believe in such a thing?
If yes, why?

The thing I struggle with is if its true, when we are reborn....into what religion if any, caste, creed etc are we reborn as.

Obviously when Vedic Dharm was the only faith, it was easy for the human mind to ascertain that an individual would be reborn into this faith.
But with so many faiths now, if reincarnation is true how would this work?????
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Shyena · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:46 am Post subject:

Remember, the four ways to god....
Karma Yoga
Jnana Yoga
Bhakti Yoga
Raja Yoga

Karma Yoga is practiced by atheists, buddhists, agnostics and others in general
Jnana Yoga is practiced by many philosophers - theistic philosophers that is...
Bhakti Yoga is practiced by devotees across the globe
Raja Yoga is an increasingly popular yoga for people of different faiths

Remember that approx 5000 years have passed from dawn of kali yuga, so there's a LOT more time...

Hypocrites of the old days will be reborn into other religions, and if they preach any of the above yogas in even semi-effective manner, they will reincarnate into a birth closer to dharmic concepts

Shishya · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:14 am Post subject:

Namaste Hiten and PD,

A very interesting topic, and one that I have thought about as well. Here's my opinion on the subject:

We would have to be very bigoted indeed to claim that none of the religions of this world contain Truth. And I don't think there are any members here who would do so. Swamiji taught that Truth is Truth regardless of where it is found, and many have expressed their agreement with this principle.

With this in mind, it seems quite possible to me that each religion has a particular aspect which is suited for causing spiritual growth in an individual. For example, despite it's many flaws, Islam definately preaches a kind of monotheism, which is superior to and more in line with the Truth than polytheism. I can imagine a polytheist being reborn as a Muslim, for example, in order to learn monotheism.

On the other hand, Islam is not exactly the most peaceful religion on the Earth. Laughing

A Muslim who boils with hate for the 'disbelievers' might be reborn as a Buddhist or a Hindu in order to learn Ahimsa. And perhaps he will one day lose a child or loved one to a Muslim extremist. How he reacts to this would very likely determine his future spiritual development.

I would like to think that each religion has it's place as representing part of the Truth, and that it's members are there in order to learn a particular lesson that will eventually bring them closer to Dharma.
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Hiten · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject:

Namaste Shishya and PD

You have both made some very good points, which I will ponder over.
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Aum Shantih Shantih Shantih

Sunita · Arya Ladies Forum Moderator Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 567

I do believe in reincarnation. I can tell lots of stories about this. I am bit tired so i will call it the night.

Namaste!
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(2) The self is not something ready-made, but something in continuous formation through choice of action.John Dewey:

(3) Andre Gide: Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.

Prabhat · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject:

Namaste,

i dont know, something inside me want to believe.

if we come back, thats oke.
but there a more people now than 2000 years ago, where do they come from??.

i hope you know what i am saying
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Shyena · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

The number of animals and plants have reduced over time, don't forget Wink

Presides, lots of people have died in mahabharata.
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Prabhat · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:33 am Post subject:

Shyena · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:42 am Post subject:

There is no fixed period of time as to when they're to come back. Those who are pious, go the heavens i.e., dyaus lok or swar lok and reside there until their karma is exhausted. Those who aren't, swamiji explained as being "punished" but my belief is that it is, as some explain; that there are sub-lokas within dyaus-loka where the souls are punished or rewarded.. It is not a heaven - but simply a spiritual abode.

According to some, those who live in dyaus loka are called pitr (meaning forefathers) and for them, one month of ours is a day for them.
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Prabhat · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:50 am Post subject:

Shyena · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:28 am Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,
We are the forefathers. Those who go to heaven are called the pitris, based on my limited knowledge. In satya yuga, people attained their aims much easily than now (or so they say) thus many of that age - which is 4 times the length of kali yuga (of 432,000 years) and such; so i think its reasonable.
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Prabhat · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

Shishya · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

If I may interject, I think what PD was pointing out was the extinction level in the animal kingdom is more or less proportional to the increase in humans around the world. It is an accepted fact that only 0.01% of all the species of animal which existed in the past remain today. (Source) Therefore, we could just as easily ask: "Where have the hundreds of thousands of species (not to mention the billions of individual animals) gone?". The two phenomena are linked, I'd say.
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:56 am Post subject:

i like to know more.
Shyena mentions also The number of animals and plants have reduced over time, don't forget.

dos this mean, that even plants have souls?

if al living things have a soul, can i kill a fly. or do i have to think, this could be my brother or grand mother?

why i like to know more, check this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4sMSxHbyR4
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Ajitwsapl · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:50 am Post subject:

Namaste to All

Interesting discussion on reincarnation

I have read in Nyaya Darsana that, when a person is not getting an expected result for any action, then he starts pondering on life, and that inquiry will lead to the existence of Atma and Paramatma. I feel/experience therefore i am. When i am real(Atma), the reincarnation also has to be real. Everything in the world, studied and proved by science, is bound by laws. Therefore, to the natural question of, why all these pleasures, pains and experiences to us (which are being different for each person), direct us to the most probable conclusion to accept in the existence of reincarnation. Otherwise there is no way we can explain we having different bodies, different capabilities and different circumstances.

The only miracle (or the the question for which there is no answer) is that we are real. We cannot prove it. We can only experience it. Based on the Vedas, the three fundamental things, (or the three miracles) in the universe are innumerable Atmas, Paramatma and Prakuthi (primoidal matter).

Regarding the question of total no.of atmas, the universe is not limited to earth and our solar system. There are possibility of lot's of solar systems similar to ours. Therefore the counting the total no of trees, animals,or humans will not give any clue. The atma can reincarnate anywhere.

To Shyena: reg. four yoga:
My understanding goes to the direction that, there is no separate ways of Gyana, Karma, or Bhakti or Raja Yoga to realise God.
The vedic literature says that, there is only one way which is the combination of Gyana , Karma & Upasana. If any one aspect is missing, then there can't be any realisation.

Best Regards
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Ajitwsapl · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:45 am Post subject:

Prabhat :

Prabhat · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject:

Namaste Ajit,

ok, i have a free wil. but stil i killed the fly. wil god forgive me for that. he has to, because he gave plants souls, like you say. and for that he can not punish me.

correct me.
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Ajitwsapl · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:46 am Post subject:

Prabhat · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject:

Wow, Thanks Ajit.

Namaste,
i wil reply.
ok, i have a free wil. but stil i killed the fly. wil god forgive me for that. he has to, because he gave plants souls, like you say. and for that he can not punish me.

but forget it. i understand now Idea

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Ajitwsapl · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Reincarnation

Ajitwsapl · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Reincarnation

niranjan · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject:

REMEMBERING YOUR PAST LIVES

The Hindu spiritual master, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (founder of the 'Art of Living' foundation) has created a technique called the 'Eternity Process' , a meditation technique through which one is able to remember the memories of one's past lives stored in the subconscious mind. Many of my friends and others have gone through this technique , and in the process , have realised the memories of their previous births.

The Indian religions believe in the theory of karma or 'cause and effect'. This theory finds ample expression in the fact that those who have gone through the 'Eternity Process ' found that their inborn ,innate talents can be traced back to training in a previous birth.

Another fascinating thing is that most of them found themselves to be born in other countries as well, and other races, religions and cultures.

This technique is getting increasingly popular, and according to Sri Sri Ravi Shankar , it is now being practiced in a few psychiatric clinics as well.

In order to do this technique , one ought to contact the nearest 'Art of Living ' centre and get in touch with an 'Art of Living ' teacher trained in this technique.One ought to be 21 years of age to do this technique.

All my friends , who have done this technique, found it to be very interesting and illuminating. I wish you the same. Wink

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gopalpai2001 · Newbie Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7

can somebody plese tell me why there are so many people in this world approx 6 billion.This number makes me ponder about the validity of the theory of reincarnation considering the fact that there weren't may ppl few centuries ago.I don't know the exact number at that time.Please advise

Prabhat · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject:

bhavesh · Junior Member Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 69

Total number of souls (aatmas) in the universe is fixed and does not change. No one more soul is generated and added, no one soul is destroyed and reduced. Only God knows this number. We souls being with finite knowledge do not know this number or figure. Yes, there is increase in human population on earth in last few centuries. But at other places beyond this earth, there might have happened some change in the reverse direction. All global objects where life is possible may be having numerous lives. After passing through lower lives, many souls possesses human frame as per God's administration of justice.
= Bhavesh Merja