Arya Samaj

eSwami · Newbie Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 5

I have heard Gita being referenced in Arya Samaj as I was growing up in India, but I am curious to know what are the similarities and points where Arya Samaj perspective differs from what is found in Gita? I believe "what is found in Gita" itself can be a great topic of discussion because many people Differs in what Gita has to offer. To put this discussion in perspective, we can assume that Gita answers univarsal question of "How to get Moksha"?...with that I would like to hear what learned community here has to say?

bhavesh · Junior Member Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 69

Gita ia an integral part of Mahabharat. It is true – and also accepted by Arya Samaj – that Maharshi Vyas has authored the Mahabharat – originally known as 'Jaya'. But there after there have been made many changes including addition of many slokas (portions) into it (Mahabharat) by many scholars with good as well as bad intentions. Dayananda has clearly mentioned this in 11th chapter of Satyarthprakash, quoting Sanjivati book written by king Bhoj. So one cannot accept Gita as fully authenticate (= Vaidic) book as it is available today. Whatever in it is as per the teachings of the Vedas, reasonable, logical and scientific in it is to be accepted. There is no harm in that. But incarnation of God as Krishna, Idol worship etc. tought by Gita are not to be accepted. These are anti-Vaidic talks. Gita is uncertain and confused on philosophical ideas too. It does not clearly define Vedic trinity of God-Soul-Matter. It also appears that the Gita has not justly valued & praised the Vedas. Therefore, Gita is to be read with adequate cautions.
= Bhavesh Merja

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

ofcourse gita is to be read with great faith , only it can be fruitfull , but should be read as BHAGWATGITA.

Ajitwsapl · Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:57 am Post subject:

I have heard people refering to Geeta, and saying that one can adopt a path of Gyana, or Karma or Upasana for attainment of Moksha

What I got after reading various Vedic Books is that to get moksha one should have and practise all the three below:

Shudha (Pure) Gyana
Shudha (Pure) Karma
Sudha (Pure) Upasana

All the above three are essential. Choosing any one of the above and neglecting the others are not sufficient. Avoiding any one aspect will not end in the desired result of Moksha. However i also heard some people saying that there are some explanations/bhashya of Geetha, which explains in the pure vedic perspective. I am not sure of the names of these books.

As opinioned by a honourable member, i would also like to say that, one shall follow which is Vedic, and reject which is non-vedic or interpolations.

Namaste
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Ajit

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

everybody pl.
as per srimadbhagwat the vedic knowledge is GYAN as per RIGVEDA , KARMA as per YAJURVEDA ,UPASANA as per SAMVEDA.
swami madhusudan saraswati states that as per six chapters lord krishna preached to arjun KARMA then next six chapters state BUDDHI and the last six chapters GYAN.
swami ramswarup of ved mandir dharmshala states as KARMA ,UPASANA , AND GYAN respectively.
I found that the nine chapters are for BUDHI and rest nine chapters are for BHAKTI and as per sloka 17/18 of bhagwatgita the KARMA stands nowhere.
slokas nos. 2/2, 44/2, 46/2 ,68/2, 5/3, 8/3, 27/3, 40/4, 28/8, 22/9, 10/10, 60/18, 61/18, 62/18, 66/18. are best for further explanations wanted i feel.
bhagwan JADABHARAT states of vedas saying selfishness.

Prabhat · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject:

Namaste.
so what is so truth in Gita, that we accept??????
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Namaste,
Prabhat

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

pranam everybody,
panayyam tadaswina kratam vam vrashbho divo rajasah prithivvyah. 5977/9 ATHARVAVEDA
GITA SAYS
gyanam te aham savigyanmidam vakshyamsheshtah.
today science says that speedy winds take water from sea to such a distant heights as to make rains or ice.
this may be true today but what next from bullockcart to chandrayan?
here GITA takes us from VISHAD TO MOKSHSANYAS.
so there is a great preaching in gita for gyan and then bhakti for the almighty ishwar.
pranam.

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

abhayam satwasansuddhirgyanyogavyawastthi
danam damasch yagyasch swaddhyastaparjwam
ahinsasatyamaskroddhastyagah shantirpaishunam
daya bhuteshuloluptwam mardavamhreerchplam
tejah chhama ddhritih shauchamdrohonatimantah
bhawanti sampadam davymabhijatasya bhartah
tasmatchhatram pramanam te karyakaryavyavastthitoh
gyatwashastravishanoktamkarm kartumiharhasi.

Ajitwsapl

Dear kd gupta

I suggest you please read Satyardha Prakash(Hindi) or LIGHT OF TRUTH (English) by Maharshi Dayanand Saraswathi.

To understand Aryasamaj and Vedas it will help you. Then you will be able to understand which books are worthy of reading and which are not.

Best Regards
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Ajit

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

thankyou mr. ajit
it is like that
te sath kamdhenu grah tyagi . khojat aak firanhi paya lagi.
swami ramsukhdas used to say, there are gurus so many but i want a satshisya.
everybody is trying to find the truth
TADWIPRKASO VIPANYO JAGRAWANSAH SAMINDHATE. VISHNORYATPARMAM PADAM./21/229/22/1/RIGVEDA
pl. come out of dhong pakhand and try to understand ishwar
tameva saranam gacchh sarva bhaven bharat. GITA
JAHI SHATRUM MAHABAHO KAMROOP DURASADAM gita
no living creature is ishwar it is only the vibhuti.
pl. try to eat your homemade food rather to think of shereton.
YOU YOURSELF ARE SUFFICIENT TO KNOW [ provided you are ]
everything is within you , see but not try to drink mrigmarichika.

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

it is essential to know the real truth
as suggested by ajit the light of truth is certainly the first step
now it is not truth but it is sat whis is to be known . gita tells us regarding sat
sadbhave sadhubhave cha sadittetprayujyate.
we do know prabhat but it is not true because it is due to sun , and sun is also not true as it vanishes in night.
ghrat ki pao koi bari biloye. ramchritmanas
it is like asking the sweetish in sugar
adhyatmaramayan says that sita ji asked rama , prabhu you did not give anything to hanuman
hanumanji asks lord rama YAWATSTTHASYATI TE NAM LOKO TAT TATKALEVARAM
THEREFORE the sat is important and not the satya
HAUMANJI IS THE PROPER GURU TO TELL ANYTHING WE WANT TO ASK . he is chiranjeevi of course
so everybody is pl. requested to worship with full devotion to HANUMANJI
Laughing

gopalpai2001 · Newbie Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7

In the Bhagvad Gita Lord krishna says that whenever there is decay in virtue he will reincarnate to destroy evil but it is said in the vedas that God does not re incarnate.what should we hold as the supreme authority in this case? I am confused

The hindus have been worshipping lord shiva and krishna for centuries,can some one tell me how this came into prominence if we believe that God is formless.

bhavesh · Junior Member Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 69

Sri Krishna was a great man, neither God nor so-called incarnation of God. He was a great person dedicated for the good of others. He might have wished that he should come again and again to help the good persons and to punish & destroy the wicked. Great persons do wish like this. It does not mean that Krishna was God. Shiva is name of God, which indicates that God is always good to all, benificial to all. A person is a person - an individual soul only. God is unique & supreme soul - all pervading, present every where. We should worship God, not historical persons. Bad practices are always based on ignorance. If teachings of Vedas were prevalent, such wrong beliefs would not have gained ground among the people.
= Bhavesh Merja

Prabhat · Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Krishna & God

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

nice not mice take my advise.
after pranam to swamiji it will be not fair to say that original gita text has been changed or the vedas are not complete in availability.
this has been of sanatandharma "s old tradition to invite for shastrartha or discussion in adhyatma especially. therefore nobody should feel ill .
this is not for those who have time for nursing 70 kg. body and not to nurse weightless atma.
TADWIPASO VIPANNYOJAGWANSAH SAMINDHATE. VISHRYOHATPARAMAM PADAM 21/229/22/1/RIGVEDA
GYANEN TUTADGYANAM YESHAMNASHITYATMANAH. TESHAMMADITYA VAJGYANAM PRAKASHYATI YATPARAM.5/16/GITA
BRAHMASUKHAHI ANUBHAWAHI ANOOPA. AKATH ANAMAY NAM NA ROOPA.BALKAND/RAMCHARITMANAS
THERE are two ways to find ishwar, one , come out of darkness two, be enlightened yourself.
our said expressions as above are 1. find and follow a guru 2. be yourself a gyani by studying granthas.
therefore neither krishna has said to be a ishwar , of course he says that he is vaasudeo the son 0f vasudeo , vrishni, nor indra is ishwar as illustrated in vedas , he is only a warrior.
therefore accept gita AS "GURU GRANTH" i repeat. it is selfishnessless pure and preaching. i invite objections ,pl.

kd gupta · Sophomore Member Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 31

gita says "uttamah purushyaya twayannah.......vibhratya avvaya ishwarah /17/15
ishwar or parmatma is somebody else not me or you , but it can certainly be known or seen even by bhakti "bhaktyyatwa annayaya sakya...../11/53
gita says "yah vadati sah vedah " therefore follow vedas and not leave the boat , you are sitting , but hand over THE PATWAR to me. rigveda 1/1057/95/1 also explains the shyena's question.
jeeva goswami lived near the bank of yamuna in mathura. one day a poor man reached to him and asked for PARAS STONE as bhagwan shankar told in his dream . jeeva goswami gave the stone to him . the man thought this baba having this precious stone did not mind therefore he must be having some other valuable thing. the man asked goswamiji to tell , jeeva answered first through the stone in yamuna .
now listen , that valuable thing is KRSN the abstract of four vedas.