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Shyena

Namaste, I think most of you are aware of this controversy that has cropped up in india - some muslim authorities allege a fatwa on Vande Mataram - the national song of india as it 'forces a muslim into idolatry' and they call it 'suppressing the freedom of muslims in india' (MY FOOT! they have the highest authority and the law is totally bent in their favour. even polygamy is illegal for others save muslims!). One can google to know the controversy. In the meantime, here are the translations of the lyrics (the song is bengali)

Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
bright with orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Green fields waving Mother of might,
Mother free.

Glory of moonlight dreams,
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.

Prabhat · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:02 am Post subject:

Namaste PD,

Nostre Damus already told that world war 3 will start in Azie, so the only thing we can do is wait. Muslims are getting worse by the day. i realy dont know what they want.

20 years ago, the Dutch people told the goverment, that muslims will take over holland. and yes they were right. every church or shop that is broken or stopt, these guys take it over, for example here in the Hague, there are more muslims shops and Mosque, and the Dutch run away to other province. And they Turk/Marocaan think they one the streets.

it is terrible with this guys, you ar not save to walk alone in the night with wife/girlfriend, or as a girl/woman alone.

and the police, they do nothing, because the goverment give them a status of probleme people who need help. so ther you go.

sorry, i needed to say that Confused

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Namaste,
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Shyena · Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

The kinda replies they give is: "The police are doing their best to protect the citizens. It is the people who are being irresponsible citizens" Wink

Shishya · Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject:

Namaste,

Weren't the Muslims also behind the decision to choose Jana Gana Mana over Vande Mataram as the national anthem of India?
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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Shyena · Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject:

Namaste Shishya,
What i remember is that the decisions were mainly made by the freedom fighters, of whom unfortunately not so many muslims played role.

Vande Mataram was the main focus of hindus, because it was perhaps the most patriotic and devotional songs of that time. Because the latter stanzas could rise some controversy, the poem was stripped down to two stanzas, the other four not being sung.

Presides this, as you said - Jana Gana Mana is the national anthem of india while Vande Mataram is national song. Of course seperatists haven't settled down and I still see chain mails floating across the internet that it was written by Rabindranath Tagore in praise of the king when he was coming to india. Truth being that it was composed around his arrival, but it speaks of "Overlord of India's Destiny" which sparks off these controversies. In his own letters, he wrote that it was in honour of god; and him being a patriotic brahmo samajist, wouldn't do such a thing.

Deepan Abisuriya · Junior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 66

Namaste to all,

This is my view regarding the controversy. The controversy is just unwaranted and unwanted.

The national song was sung through out India, resonating the oneness and respect to our Mother land. But some didn’t , why? As I discussed with those who didn’t sing, I was surprised that they who claim to be strictly religious and followers of their Holy Scriptures, have no knowledge of their own scriptures. I am concerned regarding the misuse of their holy scriptures by some among them for political stunts, resulting in the misrepresentation of their own communities in India. They don’t understand that for God all are one, no muslim, Christian or hindu. All are His children and that we all are living in one land – Bharath.
The main reason for some minorities to neglect and reject the national song, is justified by them as non-islamic or non-christian. But truly speaking the Holy Bible and Holy Quran don’t hinder the followers from singing the song. The personification of powers and nature (not nature worship) is found in the Bible and also in the Quran.

Personifications in the Holy Bible.

“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another…….The first was like a lion, and had eagle`s wings:…… another beast, a second, like to a bear; and it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth:….. another, like a leopard, which had upon its back four wings of a bird; the beast had also four heads;….. fourth beast, terrible and powerful, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth;….” (Daniel 7:3-7).

The above verse predicted the nations ruling the world. The first beast (lion) was Babylon(605 BC – 539 BC), second beast (bear) was Medo-persia (539 B.C – 331B.C), third beast (leopard) is Grecia (331 B.C – 168 B.C), and the fourth beast is Rome (168 B.C – 470 B.C). These personifications is the depiction of their characteristics. God and Jesus Christ Himself is personified in the Holy Bible in different ways depending on the character of Him to be depicted (Daniel 7:9,10; Revelation 1:13-16 and many more)

In vande matharam, my country is personified as a mother. It is verymuch symbolic to the characteristic of our country. India is like a harmless mother to other nations like a mother to her children. Our land has been the ancient land of learning like mother is the first teacher to the child, and has been the warm resting place for all religions like on the mothers lap. Many more explanations can be given. Thus, this song is a personification of the culture and religion of the inhabitants in our land. When the Holy Bible personifies the nations as beasts in the prophecy which later becomes the historical fact, what is wrong when my nation is personified as a mother ?

We need not make an image of the mother and worship, but as we read the Bible and comprehend the depiction of Jesus Christ and God, so can’t we do the same with this meaningful song ?. There is a Christian hymn which says “ Joyful joyful we adore Thee, God of glory….Hail thee as the sun above…” Is God glorified or the sun ? It is the similarity in the song and not idol worship. When Christians can sing this hymn in their worship, what rational and spiritual mindset keeps them mum in singing ‘vendae matharam’ in a secular place.

These agitators are misrepresenting Jesus Christ who said “Then render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar`s, and unto God the things that are God`s.” (Luke 20:25) Jesus Christ taught patriotism and dharma in such a time when religion of the Jews was always crushed by the dictatorship of Roman . If we truly understand the scriptures, we wouldnot hurt the sentiments of our forefathers who sang this song in unison (without any religious differences) in the freedom struggle. This song is the united spirit of sacrifice of our freedom struggle, which transforms to todays free spirit of love and oneness.

One mother land and we bowdown to all those who freed this land, and inturn to the free nation as a whole. How is this contrary to the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ? Please don’t misinterpret the Holy Bible and misrepresent the patriotic Christian community.

Personification in Holy Quran.

In the Quran, Sun and Moon are personified as below:

And the Sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. And the Moon--We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of date-stalk (Surah 36:38-39).

And the Quran says: “Adore not the Sun and the Moon, but adore Allah Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve”. (Surah 41:37).

The Sun doesnot move, but the earth. But this is the way we see it. It is said to make a symbolic depiction of the movement (as it appears to us) of the Sun and Moon.
The singing of Vendae matharam is the symbolism of the motherly care of our land. A sentiment which is similar to addressing someones mother to be ones own mother, but not in literal sense. Same sentiment involves in addressing the nation as ones mother. The Muslims have always had the practice of bowing down in salutation, does that mean that they are worshipping the one who is saluted ? No.

Singing the national song is a practice of giving respect and honour. If the same is done to the country where we are born, is it against Quran ? Our worship is directed to God, but we respect the nation through which God gives us all that we need, same as He gives us light through the Sun and Moon.

I am very happy that many Muslims and Christians sang the national song on the centenary but this message is for them who didn’t. Only request to these religious leaders is that, please don’t misrepresent the Holy scriptures and your own religions.

And to my other brothers who sang the song – you have done well showing that you are for the country and that you have understood your scriptures rightly. I too sang the song with all enthuse in me, as I rememdered the sacrifice of the freedom fighters and the greatness of my land from “the beginning” to the present. My firm belief is that, if our country should live forever as a mother to all, we as children should protect her and nourish her by whole hearted service to the nation. This will be the real –Vende matharam (‘we honour you mother’).

Any comments please send to deepan.abisuriya@gmail.com

Deepan Abisuriya,
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Shyena · Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject:

Namaste Deepan,
My opinion is that the muslim communities just want to create greater commotion Evil or Very Mad

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Deepan Abisuriya · Junior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 66

Namaste,

Exactly, they want to just show that they are there in India. Their main problem is that they themselves are blind in Quran, have lot of corruption in their own community and are frustrated. They vent it through fight with others.

Thank God, that Hindustan has hindu majoity, where we have been spiritual and self controlled, than these frustrated ones who have no hope, and are trying to destroy others freedom.

May Vedic dharma live forever, the dharma of moksha (freedom).

Shishya · Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:18 am Post subject:

Namaste Deepan,

My compliments on a fine post. Very Happy

I think this was a clear case of the powerful within the Indian Muslim community seeking yet another way to use the shield of religion for their political purposes - a strategy which goes back to Jenna and the creation of Pakistan, and beyond. I think that - not only in India, but across the entire globe - Muslim pseudo-intellectuals and wanna-be politicians are seeking ways to prevent the social integration of moderate Muslims into their surrounding environments. Such integration nullifies the possibility of an all-Islamic world, the ultimate goal of the Muslim ideology.

The irony of it all is that it is the religious tolerance of the Hindu nation that allows them their voice of dissent in the first place.
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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads