Arya Samaj

Shishya · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: TEST: Samkhya Translation

Namaste,

On my trip, I will be taking my laptop with me. (I know, I'm addicted. Laughing

) If the opportunity presents itself, (and it probably will) I will continue work on my translation of the Samkhya Darshana. Below, I have a sample of my work thus far. My question to you is:

Would you find this kind of tranlation useful?

सांख्य दर्शनम्
sAMkhya darshanam
saamkhya darshanam
The Doctrine of Enumeration

प्रथमोऽध्यायः
prathamo&dhyAyaH
prathamo'dhyaayah
First Book

अथ त्रिविधदुःखात्यन्तनिवृत्तिरत्यन्तपुरुषार्थः ।१।
atha trividhaduHkhAtyantanivRuttiratyantapuruShArthaH |1|
I:1 atha trividhaduhkhaatyantanivrittiratyantapurushaarthah

atha - now; trividha - of three kinds; duhkha - suffering; atyanta - complete, final; nivrittir - end, cessation; atyanta - complete, final; purushaartha - the goal of man's existence.

I.1 Now begins our discourse upon the complete cessation of the three kinds of suffering and the final goal of man's existence.

न दृष्टात्तत्सिद्धिर्निवृत्तेरप्यनुवृत्तिदर्शनात् ।२।
na dRuShTAttatsiddhirnivRutterapyanuvRuttidarshanAt |2|
I.2 na drishtaattatsiddhirnivritterapyanivrittidarshanaat

na - not; drishtaat - perceptible, manifest; tat - that; siddhir - succeed, accomplish; nivritti - end, cessation; arapya - unaltered, undiminished; nivritti - end, cessation; darshanaat - apparent, visibly evidenced.

I.2 This cessation is not to be accomplished through that which is manifest, for it is apparent that suffering thusly remedied returns undiminished.

प्रात्यहिकक्षुत्प्रतीकारवत्तत्प्रतीकारचेष्टनात्पुरुषार्थत्वम् ।३।
prAtyahikakShutpratIkAravattatpratIkAraceShTanAtpuruShArthatvam |3|
I.3 praatyahikakshutpratiikaaravattatpratiikaaraceshtanaatpurushaarthatvam

praatyahika - daily; kshut - hunger; pratikaara - remedy, satisfaction; vat - as with; tat - that; pratikaara - remedy, satisfaction; cheshtanaat - undertake, exert; purushaartha - the goal of man's existence.

I.3 One may argue: Manifest means, such as those used to satisfy daily hunger, can be made use of to satisfy the goal of man's existence.

सर्वासम्भवात्सम्भवेऽपि सत्त्वासम्भवाद्धेयः प्रमाणकुशलैः ।४।
sarvAsambhavAtsambhave&pi sattvAsambhavAddheyaH pramANakushalaiH |4|
I.4 sarvaasambhavaatsambhave'pi sattvaasambhavaaddheyah pramaanakushalaih

sarvaa - all, every; sambhavaat - possibile, available; sambhava - possibility, availability; api - in addition, also, further; sattva - goodness, wholeness, perfection; asambhavaad - impossibile; dheyah - use, apply; pramaana - proof; kushalaih - skilled in, expedient in.

I.4 Reply: Yet, such means would need to be available in all cases. Also, even if this were possible, it would be impossible to apply them with perfection. Thus respond those skilled in proofs.

उत्कर्षदपि मोक्षस्य सर्वोत्कर्षश्रुतोः ।५।
utkarShadapi mokShasya sarvotkarShaSrutoH |5|
I.5 utkarshadapi mokshasya sarvotkarshashrutoh

utkarshad - preeminent, superior; api - in addition, also, further; moksha - liberation, salvation; sarvaa - all, every; utkarsha - preeminence, superiority; shrutoh - in holy scriptures.

I.5 Further, liberation is supreme above all else, and this supremacy is declared in the holy scriptures.

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P.S.: PD, I know this is not in ITRANS, but I've noticed there are some potential problems with browsers. So, just ignore that aspect for now, please. Very Happy

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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Shishya · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject:

By the way, I've just checked and you will have to view this page with Internet Explorer in order to see the Devanagari with the correct conjuncts/ligatures.

ramkish42 · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject:

Good work
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Thanks and regards,

Ramkish

Shyena · Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject:

IAST please
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Krinvanto Vishwam Aryam meditate

Namaste

Shishya · Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject:

Testing...

pramāṅaprameyasaṃśayaprayojanadṛṣṭānta-siddhāntāvayavatarkanirṇayavādajalpavitaṇḍā-hetvābhāsacchalajātinigrahasthānanāṃ tattvajñanātraḥśreyasādhigamaḥ

Shishya · Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

Hmm...that's strange. I can see the IAST with FireFox, but not with Internet Explorer. Which browser are you using, PD?

Shyena · Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject:

Yea i can see it this time.
The reason for IE is because windows doesn't support some of the IAST letters. Firefox renders it manually i think.

Can you please check those letters in opera 9? I'm not at my base PC or laptop right now >.<
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Krinvanto Vishwam Aryam meditate

Namaste

Shishya · Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject:

Namaste PD,

I'm still seeing problems. Opera renders the IAST fine, but the Devanagari is not quite right. It's the same as with FireFox...

I am considering the following solution. For posts on the forum, I will use the format I have used up to this point. However, in the future I will also create downloadable files of the documents which are currently being written in IAST. How does that sound?

With that aside, how about my original question in this thread:

Would you find this kind of translation useful?
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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

ramkish42 · Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

Try using Tahoma fonts for all browsers for IAST.

Tahoma can enable reading all IAST letters except chandrabimba as depicted in URW Palladio.

Default fonts like verdana, arial are weak reading IAST
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Thanks and regards,

Ramkish

Shishya · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject:

Namaste,

Well, looks like Internet Explorer fixed the IAST problem with version 7.0...kind of. I can now read the script fine, though it looks a little rough. Oh, well. At least it's a step in the right direction. Laughing

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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Amrita Singh · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: Namaste!

Great work Shishyaji. Keep working on it. I find it very useful.
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Krinvanto Vishvam Aaryam Havan

Namaste

Amrita

Shishya · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject:

Namaste Amrita Ji,

Thank you! You are the first person to post an answer to the original question! I appreciate the feedback. Very Happy

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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

arunk · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

excellent work Shishya Very Happy

I also wanted to read Samkhya darshan, but could not find a good translation/commentory of samkhya on internet.

Do you know any such web site where I can find translation of samkhya or other darshans?

Shyena · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject:

Namaste Arun,
Try aspiringindia.org
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Namaste

Shishya · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:

Namaste Arun,

I don't know of any site containing good translations of all the darshana sutras. The one PD linked to is better than most, though. My dream is to publish reliable tranlsations through the forum. I have been working on a translation of the Nyaaya for a few months now. At this rate, it would take several years to translate all 6 of them. Confused

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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads