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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Forgiveness must start somewhere, bro...Wink

Namaste Shis

i know Shis, but they are mostly the same who are asking for forgiveness, and thet strong get advantage of it
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree, forgiveness has to have a root or else people around the world will disregard others wich will lead ot more problems in the end
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Forgiving is the best way! Reply with quote

If everyone refuses to forgive, we will continue to live in our ever-corrupted world and it will never change. One has to be willing to forgive and give others a second chance in order to make the world a better place for all of us to live in. It won't make a world of difference but it is surely a step closer to peacefulness and prosperity.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Deepan,

You wrote:
But does forgiveness mean, the criminal is free without bringing to justice? Will not this hurt the future of mankind?

I think forgiveness should always go hand in hand with justice. Only then the future will be safe for all.

Agreed, provided we distinguish between God's justice and the justice of man.

The justice of man is founded upon laws which he has drafted for the protection and preservation of society, i.e. the ordered means by which every individual may strive towards the accomplishment of the Purusharthas. In a lawful society, it is the duty (Dharma) of those who actively uphold the law (e.g. Kshatriyas) to ensure that justice is dealt out according to it. This they must do so out of their sense of duty and without mental or emotional attachment. If they become attached to the results of their execution of justice, they become subject to the karmic fruits of those actions. That is what distinguishes a police officer who acts out of a sense of duty towards society from a common murderer, for example.

What does this mean for us? We should naturally condemn violation of the law, as it is against the common good. And we should support those actions deemed necessary to uphold and enforce the law. But we must refrain from developing resentment or hatred towards those who break the law. Furthermore, we should forgive those who have repaid their debt to society incurred through violation of the law.
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"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Shis,

ones again you are right. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste,

Dutch goverment is trying to departure an imam, who is cursing Hirsi Ali, you must have hurt about here.
this imam also recruting young marocaans and say that they have to kill of dutch people. problem now is that this iman has a dutch pasport. so it is going to be difficult. but the goverment is trying to do all they can to gett ride of yhis guy

source: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article52752771.ece sorry is in dutch
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste to all,

I agree with what you said.
One small question.
Is protection of the society and lives in the hands of few or on all?

If all, I think we should be daring enough to protect ourselves and others around us. Not by murdering the perpetrators, but by bringing them to the law.

But in this present senario, if a temple is attached and the people are taken hostage, what should a person do? Can he use his strength to free the hostages, even when it means death to the terorists. Or should we wait for the police which may cost innocent lives.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste,

One small question.
Is protection of the society and lives in the hands of few or on all?

If all, I think we should be daring enough to protect ourselves and others around us. Not by murdering the perpetrators, but by bringing them to the law.


ever dealt with a marocaan. you better keep shut and let the police handle it. otherwise your car/house or maby children wil get hurt.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste Deepan,

The best means for the protection and promotion of society is for all perform their Dharma.

Each of us - whether in Law Enforcement or not - have a civic duty to help and protect our fellow citizens. If there is a clear and present danger, and there is no other means of protecting those in danger than by intervening, then I think a person is justified in taking action. I would be surprised if such a one would be penalized in a court of law in any civilized land for taking what he saw to be necessary action under those circumstances. However, common citizens should not take the law into their own hands in the execution of justice. We should not, for example, form a mob to hunt down and kill a suspected criminal out of frustration with the properly empowered authorities. That is crossing a line. But in the scenario you pose - if there is no one else to help, then yes, it is a person's civic duty to intevene in the hope of saving life.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shishya wrote:
Namaste Deepan,

The best means for the protection and promotion of society is for all perform their Dharma.

Each of us - whether in Law Enforcement or not - have a civic duty to help and protect our fellow citizens. If there is a clear and present danger, and there is no other means of protecting those in danger than by intervening, then I think a person is justified in taking action. I would be surprised if such a one would be penalized in a court of law in any civilized land for taking what he saw to be necessary action under those circumstances. However, common citizens should not take the law into their own hands in the execution of justice. We should not, for example, form a mob to hunt down and kill a suspected criminal out of frustration with the properly empowered authorities. That is crossing a line. But in the scenario you pose - if there is no one else to help, then yes, it is a person's civic duty to intevene in the hope of saving life.


so true,
thats why here in holland you can call the police anonymous, and even speak to them.
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