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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: 'The Essence of the Vedas' in the Taittiriya Upanishad |
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'The Essence of the Vedas'
from the
Taittiriya Upanishad
1. After teaching him the Vedas, the teacher tells the student: "Speak the truth. Do not neglect study. Once you have brought your teacher a gift that is pleasing to him, do not cut off the binding thread. You must not neglect truth. You must not neglect dharma. You must not neglect what is beneficial. You must not neglect prosperity. You must not neglect study and teaching."
2. "You must not neglect your duty to the learned and the anscestors. Hold your mother as god. Hold your father as god. Hold your teacher as god. Hold your guest as god. You must practise only those actions which are irreproachable - no others. You must honor whatever actions are good - no others."
3. "Those Braahmanas who are of a superior order, you must make comfortable by offering a seat. You should give with faith. You should not give without faith. You should give with respect. You should give with modesty. You should give with fear. You should give with feelings of brotherhood."
4. "If there should be doubt about a particular action, or doubt about a particular behavior, you should behave in those circumstances as Braahmanas should behave: with judiciousness, restraint, dedication, gentleness, and with love of dharma. And towards people who are spoken poorly of, you should also then behave as Braahmanas should: with judiciousness, restraint, dedication, gentleness, and with love of dharma."
5. "This is the hidden word. This is the teaching. This is the essence of the Vedas. This is the instruction. You should contemplate it in this way. You must contemplate it in this way."
-Taittiriya Upanishad I:11 |
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Namaste,
3. "Those Braahmanas who are of a superior order, you must make comfortable by offering a seat. You should give with faith. You should not give without faith. You should give with respect. You should give with modesty. You should give with fear. You should give with feelings of brotherhood."
2 questions.
1. those braahmanas? who is he talking abouth.
2. i have heart the name of the book a few times, but who's book is Taittiriya Upanishad
prabhat _________________ Namaste,
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Namaste Prabhat,
1. 'Those Braahmanas who are of a superior order': Within the community of Braahmanas, there are some that have achieved more than others through study, meditation, austerity, etc. These deserve much respect.
2. Actually, I don't know who is believed to be the author of the Taittiriya Upanishad. Certainly a Rishi. _________________ Namaste,
Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads |
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Namaste Shis,
sorry yaar, but i dont understeand "1. 'Those Braahmanas who are of a superior order': Within the community of Braahmanas, there are some that have achieved more than others through study, meditation, austerity, etc. These deserve much respect." who are thes people.
and oke, but is the upanishad a book that is reconist by the Arya _________________ Namaste,
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Namaste Prabhat,
1. Do you mean "Who are Braahmanas?"
2. The Arya Samaj considers the 10 Principle Upanishads to be of considerable value in helping to understand the Vedas. These are (in no particular order):
- Isha
- Kena
- Katha
- Prashna
- Mundaka
- Mandukya
- Taittiriya
- Aitareya
- Chhandogya
- Brihadaranyaka
_________________ Namaste,
Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads |
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Namaste Shis,
yes no1 exactly what i mean.
and are this books puranic books. _________________ Namaste,
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Namaste Prabhat,
1. On the Arya Samaj 101 Website, I wrote a short description of all four Varnas. Here is a copy of that text:
| Quote: | Varna: The Classes of Society
Vedic Wisdom teaches that every individual is unique in their constellation of strengths and weaknesses, making them suited for a particular type of work and a certain position in society. Vedic Society is divided into four classes or Varnas.
1. Shudras: These are the artisans and manual laborers. They are gifted with dexterity, endurance and great skill in producing manual works of all sorts which are necessary for the healthy functioning of any society. Shudras enjoy greater freedom of movement and employment than the other classes, as they are not required to be financially self-sufficient and are allowed to take on work from others as they choose.
2. Vaishyas: These are the farmers, merchants and business owners. It is their duty to make sure that society is supplied with all of the goods it requires for it‘s proper functioning. Though they often have more wealth than members of other classes, Vaishyas are faced with the responsibility of maintaining their businesses and taking care of their employees. However, a Vaishyas is gifted with business savvy and enjoys the challenges running a successful enterprise entails.
3. Kshatriyas: These are the soldiers, police officers and public administrators. It is their duty to ensure the safety and smooth running of society. Though granted political power, they have the responsibility of using that power wisely and fairly, making sure that justice and the rule of law prevails. Kshatriyas are gifted with great strength and determination in order to execute their duties as the protectors of society, and they are not infrequently called upon to make the greatest sacrifice - that of their own life for the good of society.
4. Braahmanas: These are the intellectuals, teachers and priests. It is their duty to ensure that society as a whole is headed in the right direction - towards the fulfillment of the Purusharthas. To do this, they are required to study and teach the Vedas, to perform sacrifices for the benefit of all, and to live a simple and frugal life, devoted to preaching the Truth.
It is absolutely vital to recognize that Varna is not based upon birth or heredity, but on the nature and merits of the individual. Swami Dayanand proclaims: "The Class and Order of an individual should be determined by his merits alone." (Satyarth Prakash 728) The caste system as it is known in India today is a perversion of Varna, and should be denounced by all noble individuals as the source of grave social injustice. |
2. No. The Upanishads are not Pauranic literature. They are braahmanas or commentaries to the Vedas, written by Rishis and Wisemen. For more on Vedic Literature, see the following link from the Arya Samaj 101 Website:
The Vedas and Vaidika Dharma _________________ Namaste,
Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads |
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Namaste Shishya,
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The Arya Samaj considers the 10 Principle Upanishads to be of considerable value in helping to understand the Vedas. These are (in no particular order):
- Isha
- Kena
- Katha
- Prashna
- Mundaka
- Mandukya
- Taittiriya
- Aitareya
- Chhandogya
- Brihadaranyaka
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What about SVETASHVATRA? Is that considered authentic by Arya samaj? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Namaste Arun,
I don't think it was a question of authenticity or inauthenticity in regards to the Upanishads. Rather, Swamiji was simply selecting those Upanishads which he saw as being the most useful in understanding Vaidik Dharm. That shouldn't mean that other Upanishads are wholly without value. In some Arya Samaj collections, there are 11 or 13 Upanishads listed, which include Svetasvatara Upanishad. So, I think Swamiji's listing 10 is really more of a suggestion and guideline rather than a strickt pronouncement. _________________ Namaste,
Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads |
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